In that thread is a link to a couple other threads with loads of information. As far as stepping on the brake pedal - I never had a problem stopping once with Tacoma brakes, it was the prolonged braking that I was after. At the top of the table is a search box if you know the brand/model of wheel, or you can just look at the pictures. Does it mean you can push it farther than you expect to push it? The easiest part - of course - is putting on the new rotor. You can find Dremel-friendly cutoff discs at the swaps. I already got the 231's. Then I had this nice little sandwich that I could slide into the caliper. Glad to get together, but there is a ton of info about 16" vs 199mm vs 231mm tundra brakes with stock wheels. Thanks. Sorry guys I was on an awful connection and posting mobile HAHA. So far so good.Check out my build thread! This minimizes squealing, increases braking torque, and maximizes pad and rotor life. Can you tell me why you didn't need to use a spacer? You're awesome Turbodb! Thanks Dan! Create the perfect connection from a 3rd gen (96-02) 4Runner to 13WL (or 13WE) calipers. Drive a bit. You can buy them here for nearly 20% less. For your needs, find a Toyota dealership with an amicable service department and you might be able to locate good-enough-for-4Runner 199mm calipers. 3rd Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (1996-2002) 2nd Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (1990-1995) 1st Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (1984-1989) 4Runners For Sale; . I have those wheels no problem. Be careful to compress the pot straight in, not at an angle. The blue tint tells you the rotor has reached break-in temperature and the gray film is pad material starting to transfer onto the rotor face. Dont forget brake lines as well. Is upgrading the MC and brake booster to a T100 a better deal? Check out the link in my signature below about the 231mm brakes. Your email address will not be published. Should no 199s be available, that selfsame parts department can order you loaded 231mm Tundra calipers and the matching rotors right out of stock, and youll have brand new hardware with a warranty. Anyone around Durham want to help me out in exchange for beer and pizza? Here are some write ups from the tutorial-docs section here. Any difference when stepping on the brake pedal? 14mm - to remove the brake line bracket from the spindle. Thanks for the info guys. Get all that old brake fluid out - which means bleeding a lot through each corner - and things will be a lot better. The components won't be quite as high quality as the OEM components listed above, but many people go this route to save a bit of money. I love rock auto to compare parts. SRQ Fabrications offers a complete 5100/OME lift kit that includes OME coil springs, Bilstein 5100 struts and shocks for the front and back. Hey Todd, sorry for the slow reply - been out on the trail, exploring Death Valley! Hey Mike, Yes, those are the 13WLs, which are 231mm rotors! Are you getting it when you let off the brakes, or something else? $ 0.00. Use the 12mm or 14mm socket (year specific) that was previously removed to re-attach the bracket to the spindle. The components won't be quite as high quality as the OEM components listed above, but many people go this route to save a bit of money. The larger size gives you more surface area for heat dissipation, which makes it much less likely that you will ever overheat the brakes (warping rotors, boiling brake fluid, etc.). 100 Series (1998-2006) 200 . Do it until there is no air coming out, and then bleed at least 3-5 more cycles. If there is a big brake upgrade for 2nd gens, someone will have done it. A service bulletin (back-door recall) was issued for Tundras made through 2002, and lots of 199mm calipers were swapped for a larger, beefier and heavier 231mm unit that was OEM on later 2002 Tundras (as part of the mid-model redesign). The only grinding I had to do was a small bit on the dust shield. I plan to do this within a year and buy your Tacoma-to-Tundra Hard Brake Line Upgrade Kit. This process is technically optional - the brakes will bed themselves over time even if you don't do this - it'll just take longer, and they won't work quite as well until they are bedded. Those calipers are both the same style (fixed) and are the correct ones (13WLs) for this upgrade! Install, drive, and smile. You can see 13WLstamp on the right. The calipers should come with them, so you should be able to reach out to the place of purchase and they should either give you some springs or replace the calipers/box with a box that isn't missing the springs. They will be the brake upgrade our new Tundra gets as soon as it needs brakes Bgdv1, Jan 6, 2020 #5. Thanks for making this so clean and easy to follow, much appreciated! Or, rather - you'll want to return the calipers to get your core charge refunded, and you can try to see the rotors to your local scrap guy. With that done, it's time to start re-assembly. -The rotor is much thicker and has almost double the amount of internal cooling fins, this will allow it to dissipate more heat and help reduce brake fade. I googled tundra brake upgrade on Google and your walkthrough is the best thing that pops up. A 5mm spacer should work too, but youll be getting short on stud (no pun intended). Required fields are marked *, 4Runner Stainless Brake Lines (works with stock calipers or Tundra Brake Upgrade). Awesome place to get the parts you need to build your Toyota. Glad the upgrade was successful (and reasonably easy) for ya! If it was, Toyota would have done that from the factory. While the brakes are being held, loosen the bleeder valve to slowly let out air and brake fluid for a short period of time, then re-tighten the bleeder valve. What wheels are you running (or planning to run?) It may not display this or other websites correctly. This minimizes squealing, increases braking torque, and maximizes pad and rotor life. 340k and counting. Locate the bracket that holds the brake line to the spindle. more). The best way to find out for sure is to ask over on TacomaWorld. I installed this kit as part of the Tundra Brake Upgrade for 3rd Gen 4Runners (1996-2002) on my 1997 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4x4 . My account of pedal difference with 231's installed was minimum. I'm sure this may be a longshot, but I was wondering if there is anyone in the Raleigh/Durham area that has a 3rd GEN 4runner with tundra brakes? Next, using a 10mm flare nut wrench, remove the hard line from the caliper. and her upgraded tundra brakes. Which Wheels Fit the Tundra Brake Upgrade? Place an 8mm box-end wrench over the bleeder valve and get the valve to "barely tight.". By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I would think that Tundra dust shields would be just fine. This post that you're looking at is mostly just an overview of the work that I did on my 4Runner. The 4Runner design is a much better design, and made this part of the process go much easier. The 199 was deemed insufficient to suitably slow the early Tundras (prone to fade and warpage sound familiar?). Brake Lines; Wheels; Suspension Parts; Suspension Lifts; ROOF RACKS; STORAGE SOLUTIONS; 4Runner. No real plans to change them, if so I would go for roughly the same. Also works perfectly with stock T4R calipers. Hey Eric, The Napa descriptions are just wrong/inconsistent on their page. Your email address will not be published. Does this upgrade do that or is there another upgrade info available? Have you always felt that the brakes were soft? Hey Tyson, this is a pretty common question and the answer is "it depends." Well, I looked at the time anyway. For more information, please see our It sandwich goes pad - slotted shim - a little grease - solid shim - a little grease. For anyone who purchases calipers and doesn't get the little Clips that are spread the pads apart, there are a couple options: 1. When I took it as an opportunity to ask a question, I received a response back within an hour with a detailed and thought out (and very helpful) response specific to my question. I wasnt able to find it in the reading. The caliper is larger with a higher fluid capacity and accepts a larger brake pad so you get increased stopping power.Tundra Caliper Choices13WE - 199mm Caliper13WL - 231mm CaliperHere is a link to a complete resources about this in detail. Do you have a GPX/KML/Coordinates for that? If you do bleed the BPV, it is bled between the rears and the fronts. The 4Runner brake line will screw into the Tundra caliper (dont forget your flare wrenches and brake cleaner). This is a good idea in order to improve brake pedal feel. Slide the rotor off of the lug studs and set it aside. I dont think itll be too much of an issue Tim, Ive known many guys who completely remove the dust shield and seem to be just fine. Another excellent write-up. Didn't paint the calipers but who cares. The Tundra calipers are longer (and wider to accommodate the thicker rotor) so they have more brake pad area to grab the rotor. Yeah I've read a lot of of the threads on the T4R forum. If you do go that route, don't forget to pick up some 4Runner Stainless Steel Brake Lines, DOT4 brake fluid, and 3M brake cleaner. Looking into swapping my 4runner but want to make sure I get it right. Note: alternatively, if you want to buy a kit that contains rotors, calipers, and pads, you can purchase one from either Callahan or Power Stop. Then, cut that bit off and hit it with a bit of spray paint to prevent rust. More metal distributes the heat of braking better (as does the improved pad-to-rotor contact). As such, you really want brake lines that don't exacerbate to that situation, and braided stainless steel brake lines will expand a lot less when under pressure than the rubber (OEM or otherwise) lines. You can learn how to clean them (so the parking brake adjustment will work), and adjust them manually, here (note: you don't have to replace them, but the write-up covers that as well). The OEM brakes are pretty undersized for the 3rd Gen. The right one is a 4 piston, and left a single piston. Great write up. Looking forward to getting these installed on the T4R. Make sure you've properly bedded the brakes. Of course, other vendors sell stainless steel lines, but they charge way too much money. I've heard stainless brake lines makes it even better. Well damn. Ask me why. The 1st gen tundra brake rotors are the same diameter but they are about 5mm thicker and weigh 5 lbs more. If you do go this route, you still need the Tacoma-to-Tundra Hard Brake Line Upgrade Kit (or for a 4Runner, the 4Runner Front Stainless Steel Brake Lines), some DOT4 brake fluid, and 3M brake cleaner. A good Marine would probably suggest being prepared is an always sort of thing, so this might be more a case of crisis averted than a bad day for Charlie. Bleeding both of these components is *very* difficult for the typical DIYer, so the only real solution if this happens is to take it to Toyota, where they have special actuators that cycle these components during bleeding, to get the air out. Hi I was looking at ordering the same Napa eclipse calipers that you got when I looked at them it say one is a 4 piston fixed caliper and the other is a 4 piston floating caliper is that right or should the both be the same. The rotors are wider by 8mm or so. I have done the proper bleeding at all wheels. It was a great feeling, and one that I can only hope to have again - perhaps sometime in the distant future when I finally know what I'd doing around these Toyota trucks. The larger calipers, pads, and rotors give your truck significantly more stopping power and at the same time decrease brake fade since the larger rotors are able to better dissipate heat. Don't even waste your time trying to look elsewhere for Tundra brake upgrades, AdventureTaco has the best information and the unique parts needed. Hey Mike, I'm not sure what you mean by caliper "mounting bracket." I just need to know if the 02 bracket will work with the 04-05 tundra caliper. My Gen3 T4R Tundra brake upgrade was well worth it and wouldn't have done it without these! I paid $250 cash for install from local monkey shop. The 4Runner hub fits the Tundra rotor. Repeat steps 1-3 for a second break-in cycle. Have a catch basin or shop rags positioned below the bleeder to catch brake fluid that comes out of the bleeder, or fit a clear plastic tube over the bleeder that funnels the brake fluid into a container, in order to keep things clean. With all the parts removed, there's one step before installation of the new parts - and that's cutting the dust shield a bit so that the new rotor and calipers fit. Do you really need them or will it work with the new calipers with the same lines? Which Wheels Fit the Tundra Brake Upgrade? I debated for several months whether or not I should get it, and it's one of my favorite tool purchases to date. If you'd like to add insurance to you order, you can. Install the bottom pin that secures the pads to the caliper by sliding it through holes that align on the two components. To Toyotas credit, the new 231mm caliper and pad combo worked much better. 10/10 ? Installed it over 6 months ago and lines still working great. Create the perfect connection from a 3rd gen (96-02) 4Runner to 13WL (or 13WE) calipers. Oh, and make sure to check the portion of the dust shield that fits "inside" the center of the rotor. Rest assured though, those are the part numbers for what you're looking for. once installed the only thing you need to do is bleed the brake. Adding Tundra brakes to your 1st gen Tacoma (1996-2004) or 3rd gen 4Runner (1996-2002) is one of the easiest upgrades you can make. Excellent support! Next, put the caliper in place and secure it with the two 17mm bolts. Don't spend too much time on this part - get the cut close but it doesn't need to be perfect. Word of advice if youre doing the tundra brake upgrade and have rusty hard lines, order new hard lines at the same time because they strip easy. Dan offered up some great advice and info on the tundra=4runner brake conversion as well as links to their full write up. For even more background, check out this article. And, the 4Runner really needed this. After the break-in cycle, there should be a blue tint and a light gray film on the rotor face. I've never had USPS lose (or not deliver) a kit, or wreck it in transit, but I'm sure there is always a possibility. For me, it's rubbed one of six times. The performance of a fresh rotor/fresh pad system would be inconsistent. How much of an improvement have you noticed since the Tundra brake upgrade on the road and off road? I love supporting smaller businesses like this because they also go above and beyond the competition, Travis Simmerman I just watched a video where a guy did the same swap out but also used this, This is because the 13WE and 13WL calipers use a larger volume of brake fluid, so more needs to be pushed into the system by the pedal. 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A short list of tools is needed; snips would work, but we were feeling surgical. Youll be grinding the split-three spoke 16 where indicated, all the way around we did a little interference-fit check first. Brake fluid should be a very light honey color - almost clear. With the clip removed, complete removal of the soft line from the hard line. Using the supplied grease, spread a thin layer on both sides of the slotted shim, and on the outside of the solid shim. Note 1: The easiest way to do this is to install the two ends of the spring into the pads, making sure the "ears" of the spring are on the narrow edge of the pads. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. and was going to upgrade brakes at the same time. 2000 4Runner Limited upgraded with Power Stop KC2324 brake kit. Secure it with a small retention clip. $99.95. I've searched high and low for this issue. Just what I needed to complete my Tundra upgrade. I run them on my 2000 4Runner. Of course, once you have the bolts removed, just pull that caliper off and keep it oriented so any brake fluid it contains doesn't spill all over your pants. They are Toyota OEM Anti-Rattle Spring for 13WE, 13WL (47748-35010). (or 3rd gen 4Runner) Hope that helps, but please do post what wheels you're planning to use! That said, 4Runners are still sloppy stoppers. I have a 2001 4runner limited. Theres a bracket that holds the calipers to the wheel assembly, its separate from the caliper itself. They reached out to me the day after I ordered my brake lines. Those part numbers are correct, and you can see in the images that both have a "13WL" on the casting. That engagement of the brakes starts later than you'd expect? Once I'd done that, it was a simple matter of installing the spring clamps to hold them in place and then using the flare nut wrench to re-attach the hard brake line to the caliper and the 12mm socket to reattach the brake line bracket to the spindle. No matter, swaps on. With the 5 spoke wheels on the highlander I would go with the 231 mm calipers because they will fit perfectly. You can see those in the table as "Tacoma 1G Snowflake". With tundra brakes, the braking power is significantly increased, the rotors last longer . November 21, 2022. View more videos on my channel. You'd be surprised how much this helps them grab. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. I need to replace my front brakes so figured I would upgrade. Today, it was time for a project that I was completely comfortable with - installing Tundra brakes on a 3rd gen 4Runner. Tundra rotors use 5mm more stud. Hold the caliper in place and mark on the dust shield where it interferes with the caliper. or Limited trim (95 lbs. Dan was also super helpful with my questions and helped explain the different caliper options as well why he chooses the OEM brake pads. If that's the case for you, I guess you could be nearly done for quite a while. Any of the following will work just fine and are all generally remanufactured by Cardone: or 13WE calipers from another parts store. I have a 97 Tacoma and want to upgrade from rear drums to disc. These installed easily with no extra parts needed to upgrade my 2002 4runner sr5 v6 with ABS.
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