To understand him better, read his book Radical. There are plenty of people in Nepal, grafting away for little personal glory. David respected Saul as Gods anointed, even though he had good cause against him. Theres always beauty in a cushy paycheck. Ever wonder (Wonder Bread) why the lame and the blind are mentioned so often together in scripture? Of course, we are to do stuff, but the text never says we are to do witnessing as if it is apart from who we are. Mr Platt aint got nuttin on Mr Crazy Buzy DeYoung. I find it interesting that Paul never did this, at least in his letters. With one exception: If I was a pastor, I can understand taking 20-25 hours for study and sermon preparation. This feeding of the flock is via the Word of God and given out with a piece of oneself. Im fine with paying staff, pastors, etc, but dont insist theres a New Testament mandate for the paid career program we see. I usually dread listening to missionaries speak, anticipating the guilt trip that they sometime put on other people for not being as extreme and missional and sacrificial as them. But it is so much easier than getting off our collective duffs and doing our own jobs, huh? That is simply not a position that exists in the New Testament. After reading your comments I was deeply discouraged, wow this man must be seriously egotistical and really has no heart for the church body. My point was in response to a completely different statement the idea that we are saved to go on missions. He did nothing but travel on so-called mission trips or went to conferences and seem to be on vacation every other month. Probably never will. Of course, were they to turn it into a profit center and start renting it out for profit, thatd be different, but nothing in the tax code stops them from performing a community service like that. If Im not mistaken, K. Deyoung is also a competitive masters runner. If things do go bad, I could go home to house and spouse, and have my career. We have greatly improved our administration (add ministry) for which I am thankful. Wonder what draws the short stick? 2. a person who protects, guides, or watches over a person or group of people. Im sure the new name for the SBC has already been determined because Southern and Baptist and Convention is not going to work. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. My guess is most celebrity preachers do likewise. As does C H Spurgeon, the author of the quote. Marketing a need for the bread will create a desire for those who feel that by purchasing the bread, they too will be beautiful, successfully suburban with beautiful spouse and kids under blue skies like the advertising. The reason we should learn names is twofold. Do we condemn them after we have taken our profit (Ezek. This book by Shannon Harris is scheduled to be released in August, about one year later than initially planned. Its a lie that endures because the congregations think that should be how much time a pastor spends on the sermon. The wonder of it all is that God still honors His Bread. I butted heads with him over working moms and finally over Radical, and after 4 years of having those concerns ignored, my family joined the hundreds of people who left Brook Hills during his time in the pulpit. The last time such a position existed was over 3,000 years ago, it was a special circumstance, it was explicitly ordained by the Lord Himself, and it was filled by one who was stated by God to be the most humble man in the history of the world. Last post was meant to be two separate, one responding to Muff, the other to Nick/Bombast/God. His sermons his weekend gig are dark and uninspiring. They said its a new testament model so it is. A spiritual birth which transforms someone into a true Christian, a saint, by the activity of the Holy Spirit. See Matthew 3:11; John 3:3-8; 7:39; 14:17; 20:22; Acts 2:38; Romans 8:2-26; 14:17; 1 Corinthians 2:10-12; 3:16; 6:11-19; 12:13; 2 Corinthians 3:3; 17-18; Galatians 3:2-5, 14; 4:6; Ephesians 1:13; 3:16; 4:30; 5:18; Philippians 2:1; 1 Thessalonians 4:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 1:14; Titus 3:5; Hebrews 6:4; 1 Peter 1:2,22; 1 John 3:24; 4:13; Jude 1:20. Many times the pastor would come over to her home after the Sunday service for coffee, cake and to talk. my view is that Trustees also will evaluate McLeans level of partnership with the Southern Baptist Convention. Oh, that we would prepare bread for our congregations and that the Holy Spirit would be present to illuminate the Bread! I believe they will be held accountable. Lost In Space: Gospel Replacement In Progress. I came across the Disasko reference here. Seems like a focal point. The academy usually complies with the doctrine of the Church that supports it. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. We agree on this. Dr. said it was about to go, but he got it out without the mess. Sermon on the Mount definitely I dont think this is the only issue, but I think it is one. We are to go into all the world and BE witnesses. Your words today were very encouraging. I am sure my staff are wondering why I laughed so loudly a moment ago. But who else is going to feature that boring hallway that nobody ever uses? ___ I suggest you spend some time in your 10 hours of studying Gods word to review what is involved in being a pastor. He also is not going to get a salary for this new position. Whenever I feel ashamed to be a Southern Baptist because of the reputation and antics of these snake oil salesmen, I have to remind myself that they are clearly NOT Southern Baptiststhey have only ridden on the coat tails of the SBC to seize fame and fortune. Voice disorder. Ive never seen this in scripture. David is a gifted speaker and inspiring leader. The interim setup is weird, the IMB Trustee statement is really weird, and the Platts have moved their kids to MBC. Could be. Yes- he is doing it for free. It would seem that Paul is drawing attention to those who perform their offices well. The upper room in Jerusalem at Pentecost held a whole bunch of people and is unlikely to have been just somebodys parlor. Thanks! We believers are all priests, Jesus is our high priest, and we were not supposed to embrace this pagan shamanism nonsense to begin with. Is this confirmed that he is doing it for free? According to SBC This Weekhe is only going to teach (give sermons) and will not do anything else in the church. It is also a biological code. And on top of that, we do not get paid for taking care of my mother with dementia and her other health problems, my grandbaby with special and high time consuming needs, or trying to battle against the babys father who pretended to be a Christian and now has threatened to kill my daughter and take the baby to Fiji where his family lives and his father is a pastor of a church there. are picking whoever the replacement is rather than a pastoral search committee made up of actual members. . Ok, maybe Im missing something but hes offering to preach for free, the church is being very wise in theyre decision making, David Platt knows his family and what he needs to do to spend time with him. I am thinking that the success of megas is not just about celebrities, just judging from the success of the local mega. Late coming to this, but I have some issues with property taxes in general and can see why that might be a needed exemption. On the subject of tax: David Platts Radical Inc. (and also the Gospel Coalition and Ken Hams Answers in Genesis) are non-profit 501c3 organisations. Where is my intentionality in all that? The elders of McLean Bible Church (MBC) have asked Dr. David Platt to consider becoming Pastor-Teacher of the church, a title used in the churchs constitution to describe the pastor whose primary duty is to preach and teach the Word of God. As Pastor-Teacher (or Teaching Pastor), Dr. Platt would serve alongside other pastors in the church including Dale Sutherland, who is the Lead Pastor responsible for overall day-to-day leadership in the church. Now I dont know what to do. While checking that one for accuracy, I came across this one too: Id like to die like my old dad, peacefully in his sleep. Ok, maybe Im missing something but hes offering to preach for free. Thank you. I attended McLean Bible for about 4 years starting in 2000 and it certainly wasnt Neo Cal then. Faithful proclamation of Gods Word is essential, because it is upstream of faith and worship/service. Who God is, and what He has done in Christ on our behalf takes precedence. Not screaming like his passengers. Would David have shirttails untucked or wear a polo shirt if he was marrying someones child? One reason that have always respected Billy Graham is because he knew that he was called to be an Evangelist not a Pastor. Yes mission is important but it is the means, not the end. I guess being on the fence is another word for being in the wilderness. A Proverbial Shortcut To Mushrooms, Perhaps?, I think we should get off the road (1), Lon knows quite clearly that the people of McLean Bible Church dont throw stones, Spy Late coming to this, but I have some issues with property taxes in general and can see why that might be a needed exemption. @ Todd Wilhelm: He is now our teaching pastor and I am thrilled God brought him to us. only 1 church in my town would let me hold a musical recital at their facility. Those of us who have seen behind the curtain know that it is not real. I get what youre saying, but people in regular jobs can be run out by one person who doesnt like them. Joined a lovely little church which felt like family the moment I walked in the door. Why a building, and a pastor if they are going to refuse to do any of the real work of the church? .Now, maybe I have a stake in this because Ive been walking this kind of bridge for years, although not while leading the worlds largest protestant, denominational missions agency. @ Hope: They throw that stuff out there expecting the sheeple to believe them. And I pray this broadcast will help you do just that. https://fiec.org.uk/events/event/leaders-conference-2017. We are called to be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11, so the more I followed up with Davids teaching I found that he plays fast and loose with Gods word. LOL at Dee telling Deb to check her text messages. Evidently the title lead pastor gives them street cred for moving up in the movement. Because those are more entertaining, particularly to a TV audience. They took me to a new level of understanding Gods Word. I attended his church in Birmingham a number of times because my kids went to college in the area. While Platt will not be able to repeatedly use a handful of go to sermons at his church he will be able to utilize his notes from years of preaching at The Church at Brook Hills., While Platt may not technically be drawing a salary from McLean Bible Church my guess is that in a church of that size there are some wealthy members who are providing some sort of financial renumeration to Platt. I think the problem is less than someone might be only delivering sermons than that they are being paid, essentially, a full time salary or a hefty salary and are refusing to do the traditional ministerial/pastoral duties. Speech is a complex process that requires precise timing, nerve and muscle control, and as a result is susceptible to impairments. Yes, but Platt played the deep sense of calling (from God) card which translated into plain English means I have a better job offer and this is your notice. They cannot fire him and they cannot say God did not call him, either because Unspiritual. Of course, you can do some evangelism at the church site. Many who say this buy sermon services to write their sermons for them. Something is amiss. Or mainly? And no, I do not see in scripture where it says that we all have to be alike. In the United States, theres a reason for that, and it has to do with income taxes. We have been attending MBC for 4 years. My church now has quite short sermons, with liturgy. We do not have to have a man to minister the Word to us from a pulpit on Sundays; teachers yes, pastors (caregivers) yes, administors yes, elders yes, etc. Thanks Grad. If you are in Christ and have the Holy Spirit, then you ARE a witness and an ambassador. If a pastor is not willing to serve the congregation through hospital visits and preaching funerals, then they are not tending to their flocks. Its totally untenable but yet I have seen so many in high positions double dip or even have businesses on the side that enrich them even more. Webdoes david platt have a speech impediment. My concordance doesnt include an entry for paid pastor. If hes not getting a salary, why does he need this title. Why would people say Jesus loves me and just stop there; where is the rest of the sentence as to what that means to be loved by God? Anyone can listen to Platt on podcasts. My husband had tears in his eyes. Also, I think it is wise to say we do things for others because we love them. And there is now a DidaskoFellowship of churches which is about to set up a Didasko Presbytery. For a variety of reasons, I ended up attending a different fellowship but at that time had nothing bad to say about my experience at McLean. He speaks at the Southern Baptist Convention Look for a church in which the pastor knows your name and will sit by your bedside when you are in the hospital. We all hold each others hands in the hospital. No liberal lefty here, in fact, not really political at all. As JMJ over at Christian Monist would frequently point out, theres a LOT of Guilt Manipulation in the church. Were paying, sometimes til it drives us into financial ruin, to be abused. He once preached a sermon on Mothers Day about biblical motherhood, and it was all about stay at home moms. In fact, upon being appointed, Platt actually said, I now see the beauty of the CP. Is Lons final act his final rock drop by event'(tm) to take MBC, its 25,000 people and the whole of the Washington D. C. area for a dark closeted stealthy ride into Calvinisms Dystopian fake gospel? They say the importance of the sermon is a reason they cant have any interaction with the congregation. It is like they think they are crossing some sort of line if they drop their guard and form genuine relationships. Im the face of my department to other groups within the enterprise and I walk a fine line between encouraging people to put all their cards on the table but then subsequently recommending steps these groups should take to keep their particular issue from occurring again. Meeting in homes instead of large church buildings? Its all part of the business. I dont understand the appeal in attending something like that. Lon Solomon rarely asked for money in my many years at McLean. Our collective gathering together has far more impact than the individual can judge from our own vantage point. . Yes but the issue of him and Calvin being promoters of Valentinian Gnosticism was put to bed a long time ago. Must be a slow reading inefficient thinker. Actually, liberal lefty functions only as temporary place holder for me. Different people; different needs. But, I try to see every person who comes to me as a long lost brother or sister. More customers flock in/buy in to the marketing strategy and feel that the product enhances their life its even enriched and fortified. Yes, Hug. Of course, mission should be a function of a healthy church. I think that is part of a church being well run, in a way. My Word as precedence comes from conviction that faith comes by hearing the Word of God. sigh. i called every single one. 13. As all were replaced their titles changed with the word pastor not minister. I dont know what triggered you to interpret have to have a man from my text. Even during a famine, the lowly, needy, hungry lepers find bread in another camp (1 Kings 7:9) the presence of their enemies, and proclaim the Good News that will end the famine. Rumor has it that the IMB is super mucked up financially. I hope Ive answered your question. @ AnonInNC: Then I had to remember all the sermons I had listend to and how deeply moved I was by his heart for Missions and Jesus. Hopefully they will all burn themselves out by being crazy busy like Platt and go away! Only You, Jesus can show this blind man who looks!, Have Calvinism, Will Stealthy Creep, Perhaps?. We plan to revisit this matter in our February trustee meeting.. For me personally, it takes faith to be known in a church. Its no wonder men want it for themselves; its no wonder so many idealistic, but ambitious and easily-seduced young men are both dazzled by those who find fame and fortune doing it, and want it for themselves. That makes me sad. God. Hes doing well. https://www.mcleanbible.org/blog/letter-lon-solomon. It leaves in its wake dis-ease. Exactly. I think youve summed it up pretty well. If one uses the Big Show/Event as an evangelistic/attractionistic tool, how does that align with scripture, with worship, and with the definition of church. Personally, this is sad because we have a long-ago connection to McLean Bible. This week, it was announced thatDavid Plattwill soon be voted on to be the new teaching pastor atMcLean Bible Church. The real eternal issue before us is not some form of Calvinism, but Christ! We had not heard of David Platt before he came there, but we have already decided we will be moving on. Im a newbie here, so Im reluctant to put up a lot of text, but I do think this is applicable to the discussion. If we hope to reveal the worth of Gods love to others, what has it cost us? Many dont. That has even helped me turn this not quite the usual parishioner into someone that I am truly glad to see every Sunday. Standing up on a stage, being the only voice heard in a comfortably organised setting where everyone is explicitly there to hear you speak, is among the most seductively intoxicating pleasures anywhere in this life. Were paying, sometimes til it drives us into financial ruin, to be abused. But at some point, arent we supposed to grow up into some degree of self-reliance, as far as the scriptures are concerned? You can support him by experiencing him as your pastor for several years. WebAt the minute 4:40, David Platt said that we [Christians at T4G] in a sinful world have blind spots that we cannot see on our own and I fear that I, that we, dont really want to see them. Then he used the text of Amos, and the idea of the sinful Jews described in that book of the Bible, as a parallel to the audience. That probably should have clued me in to the fact that things were unhealthy there. McLean has gradually lost the credibility it once had back in the 80s and 90s. I don't think he has a speech impediment. There might be potential liability issues should someone not a part of the church be injured on the premises, perhaps certain events wouldnt be covered under their policy, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the tax treatment of a 501(c)(3). Far too many people are looking for a celebrity so they can say "We go to David Platt's church." Isa. This leaves the door wide open for our congregation to see areas of leadership where they are needed, and to respond accordingly.. Bridget, This plague has even crossed the Atlantic and come to the UK. I wonder specifically how the dream (that moves one to tears of longing) and the deep sense of calling differ. He is doing exactly this! Maybe a thread on ecclessiology would help define terms and roles it is sorely needed in the contemporary scene. Guilt induced you are not giving me enough money for MY missions and you are not doing ENOUGH witnessing in your own life as decided by me, the missions director for god. I believe in the paid pastor role a laborer is worthy of his/her hire. I actually timed it once. At that time, there did not seem to be any attempt to become a mega-church. He is now our teaching pastor and I am thrilled God brought him to. Hi Bridget, He makes a concerted effort to know peoples names. In growth and maturity, we need to feed others, and to be served, ourselves both. Which is part of why I like liturgy; the sermon can be a dud but there is still substance in the rest of the service. The other day on a Facebook page that I like, the post was a political one. My guess is he travels around and give speeches. Its a long and somewhat boring story. (Cars, housing, funding for private schooling for his children, etc.). If so, Im so sorry to hear it. ), I keep hearing that echo from that 9Marks newsletter I read online, where someone asked what to do if people didnt want to sign a covenant, and the answer was to reason with them and then ease them out if they wouldnt sign. I felt the LORD give me this analogy/story line a few years ago concerning juggernaut corporate bakeries and local artisan bakeries. To our readers All the Community out reach programs were killed by him. Stomach full of staples for another week, but back to work with a few restrictions. He Didnt Love Being a Police Officer. traumatic brain injury. Overhead is a thing that happens every single day regardless of how many people show up. The model in the New Testament was shared leadership. Youre modeling New Testament now? Where is most of ones time spent? The flock is right in holding its paid shepherd role accountable, sadly lacking today. Folks, find a church in which you have a real pastor, not a talking head who offers nothingdifferent than apodcast Find a pastor who knows your names and will come and sit with you when you are in the hospital. I sometimes despair at being such a talentless, beached whale of an apology for a wordsmith. I point all this out and this is just one mans opinion to say that it seems McLean Bible Church sort of lost its way long before all this David Platt stuff came up. Our friends are grounded, thoughtful and medically qualified; and not remotely given to sensationalism or exaggeration. In the United States, theres a reason for that, and it has to do with income taxes. Please preface it with, As the New Testament CLEARLY shows in XYZ, Law Prof wrote: And, I suppose, the crowds can just forget it; how many people have houses that big? Same as most 9M churches they pay lip service to prayer but dont labor in much prayer. As you said, there are clearly gifted men and women in the UK equal to the Anyabwiles and the others. He speaks very quietly and sometimes it is hard to make out what he is saying. The Youth and Family Pastor becomes Youth and Family Director when held by a female. __. comedian gave a performance recently in which he banked nearly fifteen grand for his one night performance, using the name of jesus near the end to share a gospel-like message. 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