I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). What is it that makes it work? That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. We become real magicians if we can tap into it. After I read and then I re-read this was the conclusion that I am more confused than before but more peaceful and more tolerant with my fate. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. Chiron in 12th House wound is also related to spirituality and belief systems. i imagine these aspects can point to a past life where there was dominance in the work field isuees? But, our composite chart is weird. Another spin given to the 12th house . now chiron. Some relationships have terrible natal comparisons and good composites. composite moon and saturn are in fifth house. Im always attracted to those types of relationships !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. 12th House seems to be the most frightening of all the houses to me, because the primal urge towards each other is such a deep and profoundly spiritual one, that you think, theres no way I could find this depth with another. (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). Was our purpose to heal each other? Such a great article! One is more transpersonal and numinous, the other deals with our reactions in the day to day world. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. We have the ultimate intimacy side by side with the knowledge of ultimate separateness. Thank you for your reply Dawn . Your article is amazing! Im not wanting to drag him to the floor yet. It feels that we are very free together than alone. Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. I met with a guy 2 months ago and when we saw each other, -there is no doubt that- we were both fascinated by each other. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. Thank you for your answer. In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. I will always be exactly where I am now loving you. Whatever I told you would not have a context. Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. Transit Mercury in the Composite 12th House. However, what happens when we join together as a couple/entity is reflected in the composite chart. She says that she has been uncertain about her attraction to me from the beginning and is just really confused because she does love me. Comparing composites to the biwheel between two charts is impossible, like comparing apples and oranges. Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. This makes so much sense. Men with Chiron in the 12th House have a solid physical and mental constitution. They seem bonded before a word is spoken. How ironic! You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. Planets in the 12th are considered to be undevelopd or lacking something in terms of karma. Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. Hi ameNow were talking about the differences between the Davison and the midpoint charts, and thats really too complicated a topic to go into here. When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. It symbolizes pealing back the layers to reveal the authentic self underneath. Its more complex than just the composite positions. A Venus/Mars conjunction in Taurus can be a beautiful thing. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! Composite Chiron can be strongest when in the composite 1st house or conjunct (aligned with) a composite planet (especially a personal planet - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars) or composite angle (1st, 4th, 7th, and 10thhouse cusps). This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. (Our North Node rulers often lead us down these blind alleyways.) I feel like I never want tk part from this man. Together we share a Mars 12th. Beginning to look at our Composite Chart and come to find a Moon and Mars Conjunction in Leo 12th House. And they might move next year to another town because of their son so I am already dying from the thought that I will not see him after that. The composite with the Great Unrequired Impossible love of my life , shows Sun conjunct Neptune and SN , in Scorpio VII . But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. chiron is opposed to uranus with the moon/mercury midpiont conjnuct uranus. Juno is not only about romantic partnerships, but has to do with equality in general. If the fears arent dealt with (and the fears include loss of all kinds), it can get projected and the world itself can become the enemy. If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? what can we do here? Now, what to think of this powerful symbolism in the composite chart? Im sorry to hear your story. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. I dont know whether this situation is karma? This is the empty space, the place where we are not like others, the place where the pieces dont fit. At all. The 12th house native likely suffered in their childhood due to being overly sensitive and empathetic. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! My english is not very good. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. The point is not that the telepathy is an illusion, the point is that its real, but it doesnt matter. The fatedness of it all doesnt make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. Also, if the relationship is not a good one, Sun conjunct Neptune is prone to self-deception and confusion at best and outright deception and betrayal at its worst. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) Im trying to figure it out. Thats for start. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). But I do have one question? I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. I am NOT usually like this. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? mercury and mercury conj. I just met someone who has their moon in 12th house like myself and im wondering if i need to investigate this more closely. Another spin given to the 12th house . But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. I say empty.. no planet but Asteroid Osiris is 26 Aries. Useful Chiron in 12th House Crystals Jasper Malachite Professional Readings 2023 Yearly 30 Minute Astrology Report Recent Articles Ceres Aspects Lilith Aspects Juno in Houses Ceres in Houses Lilith in Houses Astrological Events New Moon in Taurus Increasing pleasures May 19 2023 Jupiter in Taurus Productive Growth And we both natally have same aspects, my mars is in my 12th and his moon is in his 12th also. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. Sometimes learning from the mistakes IS the path. Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. My progressed Uranus will be in my 7th house for the rest of my life. The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. And I dont think you can fully understand Pisces without understanding its relation to Jupiter as well as Neptune. (excuse my bad English) Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. this is an aspect on infidelity.it shows he is manipulative and insensitive to you.i would think that he is cheating on your currently. Thrown/compelled into a private relationship that feels confusing and unavoidable at the same time. I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. His Neptune conjuncts my SN orb 003 Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. Subconciously I always looked at him for a few seconds like a magnet but did not put any thought to it. Thank you. One or two aspects, especially in composite, do not carry the story. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. With the composite 12th house in Aries, it may be difficult at times for you to take initiative together when needed, and instead that kicks in when youre moving together subconsciously. The Moon/Mars (Virgo) sextiles a close Sun/Jupiter (Cancer) conjunction in the 10th, sextiles Uranus (Scorpio) in the 2nd, trines Ceres (Capricorn) in the 4th, and squares Neptune (Sagittarius) in the 3rd all very close aspects. 50 is also the average age of menopause and beginning of. Illusions yes I know. But also to wound each other? Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. Your emotions may also be cloudy and unclear at times, and your lack of boundaries may cause you trouble. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. I read our full synastry report, using dual cosmodynes, and the outcome was very positive and harmonic, scoring pretty much above the average! My natal chart ruler is the Moon and his natal chart ruler is Mars. In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. More appreciative of that special melding? Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. Thanks Dawn! taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. how this would manifest? Gemini is a dual sign, so I have a problem committing and getting others to commit. Your post was seemed most fitting for a romantic liaison. We have a composite 12th house sun mars and venus in Cancer! You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves for various reasons, not feeling comfortable telling them. The 12th house conjunction in Cancer indicates that there is a nurturing issue between you that needs resolving. Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? One, that planets energy can be confused and diffused in their lives, especially when in difficult aspect to other things in the composite. I dont know why im writing you this because uncounsciously know this relationship was all about love and let go. It has felt fated, mesmerizing, seductive, magnetic and karmic. My 12 is in Leo, along with my Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto. Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. They rip the rug from under you every other day. Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). Our Composite Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter are in the 12th, Gemini. But I think you can count on that Jupiter for evoking good will between you should you decide to reconcile. AT ALL. I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. This resonates with me. It has been a very long journey! I will look into it. My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. The examination of two natal charts shows how people interact with one another==how I affect you, and vice versa. You mentioned that couples with 12th house emphasis usually come together for a specific purpose and once that is completed the relationship is destined to end (thats what I gathered anyway). Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. Its a bit like getting knocked off your feet by a powerful waveyou and your partner are going to have to swim in the tide for a while, and deal with whatever watery beasties swim your way. It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. Sun conj. In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. Since each of us share a natal 12th house dominion, then repeated in a shared composite strength, what you have said in your 12th house explanations all seem to feel so true. You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. I need help! Entering through my dreams, plenty of astral seduction going on out there in the ethers. WhiteLotus. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. The feelings I have are much deeper than lust and infatuation. Obviously, I thought this man was my soulmate. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. Chiron in Pisces, or the 12th House, is a sensitive, vulnerable, and compassionate soul. Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. thanks!! Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. Is it possible that 2 people with so much 12th/water house activity; both within synastry and composite, there is any hope for them to just be normal and happy together without karma or something else getting in the way? To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. These are just a few of the synastry aspects. Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. One day , you said that people telegraph their natal theme at every instant of their lives. I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. venus+mars, etc. With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. An ex-lover and I share composite Sun/Mercury in the 12th. Our physical connection was addicting. Im in hawaii for a month, after he broke up with me for the last time, trying to get my strength and sanity back and assure myself that you should not have to TRY so hard for things to work, when these 12th issues come up to work on. Id appreciate any information. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. Im not exactly sure what our future holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence Once a relationship kicks in (moves beyond the initial stages), the composite Sun becomes more apparent. Composite Jupiter in the 12th House With Composite Jupiter in the 12th house, you can find that subconscious issues and motivations, baggage and karma seem to be easier in this pairing, and they don't cause as many issues as they normally do. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! I dont have enough information, but the chart emphasis leads me to believe that you are right in your analysis, that the partnership finds its life in the upper houses. He also has 12th house stellium in his own natal chart in Scorpio. My sympathies. That you both have the Moon in the 12th makes you both sensitive to your surroundings and highly intuitive. P.S. So, one might experience a number of spiritual or religious . We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. Sadly, our Moon is square to Uranus and I suspect this might be one influence behind her decision to break off all contact with me. Im also interested in anything about twin flame relationships. Dear Dawn, The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. We both experienced he physically (I think) something weird when i was very close to him and I saw something mind boggling in the night when Venus turned retrograde this year. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. We are ignoring what the Source is asking us to do. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. Something is whispering in their ears. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! Great gifts are possible if that Saturn is respectedthe power of manifesting energy into form. In the composite only our venus and moon are conjunct in the 12th. Hi! It is not so much a question of choice, more that the universe has chosen for them to be together (at least, thats what it feels like). My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. Thanks for the kind and helpful words, Dawn.
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